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Physicists propose test for determining if we’re in the Matrix
by Bryan Nelson
Wed, Nov 20 2013
Would you take the red pill or the blue pill?
Physicists now claim they can offer the choice.
When the sci-fi film “The Matrix” first hit theaters back in 1999, it inspired a whole new generation of amateur philosophers to ponder whether the world really is as it appears. In the film, sentient machines have subdued humanity by plugging everyone’s brains into a sophisticated computer network that convinces them to believe in a simulated reality.
The film is a play on a philosophical conundrum as old as philosophy itself: How can we know whether the world really is how we perceive it to be?
Now a group of physicists led by Silas Beane of the University of Washington think they have accomplished what centuries of philosophy could not, according to Discover. They believe they have discovered a solution to this age-old mystery. Or at least, they believe they have devised a test that can determine, once and for all, whether we live in a computer simulation like the one in “The Matrix” or not.
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Their proposed experiment has been deemed the “cosmic ray test.” It assumes that any simulation of the universe would need to be constructed out of a lattice, or grid, much as television images are built from pixels. The researchers then calculated that such a simulation would require that the fastest particles — or cosmic rays — would always bombard the Earth with a maximum energy amount.
Beane and colleagues surmise that if we do indeed observe a maximum energy amount for the cosmic rays that bombard the Earth, that this should provide confirmation that we really are living in a simulation. (In case you’re wondering, this is what has been observed: cosmic rays always arrive at Earth with a specific maximum energy of about 1020 electron volts.)
So does that decide it then? Is Beane’s experiment proof that we’re living in a simulated universe? Beane himself doesn’t think it matters one way or another: “Learning we live in a simulation would make no more difference to my life than believing that the universe was seeded at the Big Bang,” he suggested. To him, the issue is a mere scientific curiosity.
Philosophers aren’t likely to be so easily sated, however. Beane’s test makes a lot of unnecessary assumptions. For instance, it assumes that any simulation of the universe would need to be constructed from a lattice or grid. Perhaps our supergenius simulator overlords have discovered some more advanced way of constructing a simulation.
Beane’s test also can’t rule out the possibility that the universe might actually happen to function like a latticed simulation. In other words, it’s possible that reality and simulated reality are simply perceptively indistinguishable. If such were the case, then no test would suffice. We’d be right back at square one — a place where the scientist must, incontrovertibly, give way to the philosopher.
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Doesn’t matter either way to me. I believe we are here in a true reality–placed here by Abba Himself. That’s just my two cents.
Well said. It might be possible to prove that we are in a matrix, but it’s impossible to ever conclusively prove that we aren’t. It’s worth noting that if we ourselves are simulations of beings inside an overall simulation, the programmers could easily make up for any faults in their simulation by simply programming *us* to overlook any of those faults.
Hunt FOR Truth said:
so far, I’m accepting of that the universe might actually happen to function like a latticed simulation
the cosmic pilgrim said:
This is an interesting article….I agree with Beane in that it doesn’t matter one way or the other,, because the fact remains that we are here…regardless of the nature of the infra structure that contains us. It is hard for me to imagine that all of our world is not part of a larger computer system, after all, if we look at human beings objectively, we are biocomputers. Our bodies are organic computer vehicles that house the energy bodies. These vehicles are the important interface between the energy bodies and the “environment”. Is the environment real or is it simulated? A biocomputer should be able to serve as an interface with either, if there are such things. Is our whole experience a Divine thought? Anything that we think of automatically becomes real by virtue of the fact that it was created. If a thought or idea isn’t tangible, does that mean it doesn’t exist? So an illusion, in my opinion, is just as real as a tangible construct….so I don’ t see why they are attempting to research this….Afterall, anything they use in research, from the “real” lab material, “real” computers, ideas from physics and math, to human reasoning, logic and skill are all “already created” resources, taken from within this already created life experience. We can not validate the nature of the existence of the very tools we are using to conduct the experiment. For instance take the physics, it is real so long as the mind and the world of the physicist is real, if the physicist is part of the matrix, so is the physics and so is the experiment. Being part of a matrix doesn’t preclude you from envisioning that you are disconnected.. The matrix can provide alternate realities with alternate illusions of freedom, if indeed such a matrix exists .So if the physicists create a grid or lattice, did they create it using human capabilities and material that are verified as not being connected to a matrix? If we are in a matrix, the results of the experiment can go either way….after all, its just plugged in beings either creating an extension of the plug in system, or they will create a system that doesn’t interface with the matrix, if it exists. Its just an elaborate circle….we are still in the labyrinth constructed of frequency….its the only way the human body can exist, as we know it…..But we still need to think about these things and examine them….it helps us grow…thanks for sharing this article…
Experiencing this is part of a greater cosmic truth much grander than what our human minds can wrap themselves around!
Hunt FOR Truth said:
Our accounting of space-time from the available data is becoming more precise as more data from the origin of the universe is analyzed and so far, the accounting indicates its been 13.8 billion years – so, did one simulation run for that long?
I do like these pseudo-science reports. They inspire people to think beyond the mortgage payment and last week and next week.
the cosmic pilgrim said:
Well, no one can answer that question. All analyses and investigations, scientific or not, are conducted within the given parameters of the system….so we are only coming to the conclusions that the reality system is allowing for….be it scientific, be it “pseudo science” …these are all potential paths towards understanding, percieving and explaining the phenomena of which we are a part. If we go with the simulation explanation, my opinion is that linear time is a hack, and further seals the vaccuum, so what appears as 13.8 billion years, through whatever means of calculation is just an expression from within the linear captivity. If this linear hack didnt exist, we would be experiencing the merging of all of ourselves, of eternity, of timelessness, which us our natural spiritual state. So there wouldnt be an age concept to try to grasp, since linear wouldnt exist…it would all be in the now.
Science, although its intentions are sometimes good, is stuck in duality. What doesnt fit into their paradigm is pseudo science…”fake”science. Science is not the only path to travel to try and understand these phenomena if reality.I dont think that these type of reports strive to be scientific at all, so science is being too judgemental in calling them pseudo scientific. When science became a religion, it viewed the world through its lenses of deity, and all the other perspectives became the “false gods”, do you know what I mean? They assumed that other perspectives deified themselves and viewed them as rival counterparts racing to reach the finish line of power. Science grew beyond investigation, it took on creation and became a system of belief. What the scientific world erroneously calls pseudo science is a perspective that combines ancient wisdom, human observation, philosophy, spirituality, consciousness, awareness…all being resources that dont adhere to clinical trials and statistical significance. These are resources that science doesnt adhere to, because science ceases to exist as a belief system from within these perspectives. What yoh label as pseudoscience uses resources and methods that are within our being, they use the engine that comes from the spirit/mind interface…yes, that means that there is no tangible proof for anything…but how can we demand tangible proof for these types of issues regarding the nature of our existance when we really dont have the slightest clue yet about who we really are..Personally, I can only relate to this non scientific, spiritual method of observation and investigation because I feel that answers to these types of issues can not come from anything institutionalized and confining, they have to come from within…because all of reality
and all that “is”, is in our soul…we just need to break through certain frequencies to reconnect our spirit with the cosmos….whereas science focuses on the connection of the physical to matter…expecting consciousness and spirituality to conform to being observable and measurable ….
Enjoy debating these issues…,all paths exist so they all hold their truth for those that walk along them….