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| For me, it was a thought process. That’s why it failed. When I listened to my heart and when I directed my mind to bring my heart into my thoughts, the process was energized. We have the feelings that allow us to link up to the powerful God compassion that orders the universe by love. Prayerful thoughts and meditations without heart are words empty of Godly language.Beware though; thoughts may separate us from love. We must eliminate ego from our living and live only in the blessings from our loving God.
What do you make from Gregg’s teaching?
Heart-felt prayer and meditation; peaceful serenity — I’ll examine all of this and how it seems essential for us to be maintaining spiritual progress for mental health. I hope you’ll keep coming back. |
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I’ve studied computer programming, there is no such thing as random number generation, all “random” means is obscuring the mechanism or algorithm that generates the number from the user. The closest thing to true random number generation is to plug an algorithm into something gathering data about something in nature that is hard to predict like weather or earth quake data, which is of course hard to predict but non-random and deterministic. So I call shenanigans.
Again, the website is at http://noosphere.princeton.edu/
They demonstrate their work. In fact, critics agree that the work is thoroughly documented. They’ve measured shifts at global recording devices for over 400 “global consciousness” events. Your taking the ‘post hoc ergo propter hoc’ point to an extreme by declaring yourself an expert because you’ve studied computer programming. In fact, the reports that consciousness may have an effect on reality have merit. Its fine if you discard this by me since really I’ve got nothing to do with it. It was Greg Branden in the video (above –> “Gregg Branden on Consciousnes”) that brought it up. I used the lecture video for what you’ve already agreed upon as a fact — peaceful serenity seems essential for us — for maintaining spiritual progress for mental health. I’m not pushing Noetic Sciences or Branden’s consciousness projects; not Tolle either. They just happen to be making good sense about mental health and spiritual development.
They seem to be cherry-picking the data after the fact, but I’d have to read more to be certain.
The measures are recorded in real time and analysis is predetermined and performed according to those standards. They aren’t cheating. That would have been determined before this.
Here is a stronger argument — for heart energy fields.
https://hunt4truth.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/your-emotion-matters/
The computers in the video are at least a decade old, if this is real why isn’t this being used around the world? If I told you that someone cured cancer 20 years ago would you believe me?
updated 11:13 PM, 8/21
Actually, spiritual cures for disease (regarding my second ‘consciousness’ video selection: https://hunt4truth.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/your-emotion-matters/ ) are rooted in ancient practices and continue in India and in China and in other Eastern countries as well — apparently some follow from Taoist and Buddhist origins and may have been in use for hundreds of years. We get little news here about successes and there are rarely studies that conform to Western standards. In centuries past, generally the healings were not widely known and only very well-to-do clients came to seek the services of these “mystic” healers. According to the practices, many of these healing methods have always been considered spiritual and also natural; according to spiritual and physical ‘laws’ of nature. I myself have received chakra balancing therapy. I didn’t have a documented disease – just tension.
I don’t see that the video is in any way suspicious. Honestly, I didn’t do much investigation because I accept the video as proof. However the facility did exist and it was as is described in the video; at the time, and certainly it seems authentic.
You may remember that I do not follow with miracles as an explanation; except if stated by witnesses about Jesus or if quoted as said by Jesus. Whenever I include scripture it typically is about Jesus by witnesses. I accept wholly what Jesus said and most of what was said by those that witnessed Jesus.
I do not view the cure (see video: https://hunt4truth.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/your-emotion-matters/ ) as miraculous. It certainly is beyond my ability. However, I do not think that what I watched is at all supernatural. I have come to see this sort of mind-body healing as following from the laws of nature. The video (again — above) is in my opinion accurate and I am certain that the healing depicted will be supported by science, as possible and natural – certainly M Theory (including possible multiple universes and so on), String Theory, and other quantum physics theories do support the possibility of such healings.
I also admit that as for evolution, the evidence is strong that life on Earth possibly originated from inorganic matter; naturally. It seems more likely that complex life like humans probably came about from a source unknown. So far, science cannot demonstrate that the complex human evolved from primates. I’m open to what facts support. As we both know science states the facts and fits them together using statistical probability and guess work. I’m okay with that.
Thanks for your comments. I do appreciate that what you’ve said is a popular perspective as well.
I’ll add more as time permits. Meantime, consider this:
Ordered consciousness creates order in its surroundings. This is the opposite of entropy. In other words, the second law of thermodynamics cannot apply to consciousness. We took the wrong path when we began to believe that it is a miracle when spirituality raises conscious awareness of an invisible force and that that is an imaginary power.
As Einstein pointed out, ‘matter’ and ‘energy’ are the same thing. Matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which suspends an atom in vibration and holds the atom together. This applies at both the macro and micro levels of reality. In fact, it is the basis of our understanding of reality.
“All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings
the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar
system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the
existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix
of all matter”
– Max Planck, originator of quantum theory
From Luke 17:6, Jesus is quoted as saying to the apostles, “If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and planted in the sea,’ and it will obey you.”
Jesus didn’t mean that only the apostles should be able to perform this deed. I do however believe that Jesus probably meant that a group can manage the feat.
Jesus also taught as is stated in Matthew 18:18-20: “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”
“Ordered consciousness creates order in its surroundings. This is the opposite of entropy. In other words, the second law of thermodynamics cannot apply to consciousness.”
Consciousness is an abstract concept for a subjective phenomenon which arises from a physical brain which is subject to entropy. If you don’t think minds deteriorate over time go to an old folks home sometime.
As for the physics quote, I see no reason to assume that a god is holding atoms together, and a mind capable of creating the universe (let alone holding it all together) would itself be more complex than the complexity we invoke it to explain, which is useless and absurd.
I don’t understand what the scripture has to do with it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc
Oh… good one; post hoc ergo propter hoc… So, if I am to address this, I must supply more evidence than is described in the video–PERFECT, that is exactly what I would love to work on; so I shall. Thanks.
[Anyone: post hoc ergo propter hoc means that the outcomes associated with prayer and in this case with meditations focused on an outcome, in fact, have no bearing on that outcome–his link provides a definition of the phrase as may be described in a critical thinking text.]
Technically they might have an effect on the outcome, it’s just illogical to conclude that they did simply because thing A happened before thing B.
what specifically do you refer to as post hoc ergo propter hoc?
For example:
a) the video linking of 9-1-1 to electromagnetic shifts;
b) peaceful serenity seems essential for us to be maintaining spiritual progress for mental health
A. It is, as far as I know, pseudoscience. It’s also extremely ethnocentric, 9/11 is not the worst thing that has ever happened that we make it out to be. Entire genocides have happened that we barely knew about.
Princeton University researchers believe that people were affected in ways by 9-11 so that global collective mental energy altered the operation of computers. Princeton’s Global Consciousness Project (http://noosphere.princeton.edu/) director, Roger Nelson, said “My consciousness, inside my skull, and yours, extend out into the world, and they intermix. We’re a little like neurons, in a giant brain, that we know nothing about.”
A paper, “Coherent Consciousness and Reduced Randomness: Correlations on September 11, 2001” was published by the project in the Journal of Scientific Exploration in 2002. It reported that the terrorist attack caused a powerful outpouring of emotions across the planet and that this had a measurable effect upon network computers.
See: http://noosphere.princeton.edu/911formal.html
Perhaps, you’ll take this as a coincidence too… label this too a pseudo-science. Well, let me know if you want to read more, because I certainly can work on it when there is a good reason. I think providing information that is keeping you in this discussion is a worthwhile reason.
The fact is Mark that science hasn’t caught up to what some humans already know without science. Consciousness extends throughout the universe. We can learn to listen/feel/sense a cosmic consciousness if we learn peaceful serene patience by mind-quieting meditations. I don’t think Gregg Braden cares if you accept his data. He travels the world speaking his message anyway. He’s living his life with a crisp and yet humble knowledge of the future that he’s perfectly willing to share with us. He isn’t holding back, waiting for science to catch up to what he already knows.
Eckhart Tolle is a world-renown author and speaker too. Before he “found” enlightenment, he was depressed and he’d been suicidal. He said about his depression: “Yes, yes I was several times close to suicide and so one night a shift happened and I realized the unhappy me, the unhappy self, is not really who I am, I could sense underneath it a presence and an aliveness and an intelligence that had nothing to do with the negative thoughts that were continuously going through my head.”
He’s sold millions of books — world wide; not because he recovered from depression. He has a message to share and up to 700,000+ people tuned in for some of the shows (classes) that Oprah did with him. Check them out “A New Earth – Eckhart Tolle – Class” on youtube.
Regarding acceptance, Tolle said: “You need to get a little bit of a glimmer of recognition from a dimension that is deeper than the mind in you… and you’ll say, ‘Oh he actually has a point.’ And from there you can open up and begin to experience what it is to be home with the present moment which is life.”
His message is that our thinking (ego directed thougt) is destroying us. He says “To me the ego is the habitual and compulsive thought processes that go through everybody’s mind continuously. External things like possessions or memories or failures or successes or achievements; your personal history. All these things are just a bundle of thoughts, of repetitive thoughts that give you a sense of who you are.” He explains: “Thinking is a wonderful tool if it’s applied. Thinking however cannot become the master. Thinking is a very bad master. If you’re dominated by thinking then your life becomes very restricted. If you’re able to use your mind instead of being used by your mind, that’s a beautiful thing.”
I’ll say more, but I must budget my online blog time. So, I’m out of time for today.
I want to say though that I greatly appreciate your giving the time to make comments.
God dwells within the inner peaceful serene stillness of our mindful meditations — if we believe this is the case or even if we do not.
Show me a repeatable test and a formal hypothesis or this is pseudoscience.
As they state at the Princeton main website:
“The Global Consciousness Project is an international, multidisciplinary collaboration of scientists and engineers. We collect data continuously from a global network of physical random number generators located in 70 host sites around the world. The data are transmitted to a central archive which now contains more than 12 years of random data in parallel sequences of synchronized 200-bit trials every second.
Our purpose is to examine subtle correlations that reflect the presence and activity of consciousness in the world. We hypothesize that there will be structure in what should be random data, associated with major global events. The data overall show a highly significant departure from expectation, confirming this prediction.”
Please give just one thing Gregg says.
OK. Gregg makes reference to the human heart, saying that it is capable of creating an electromagnetic energy that may affect even the electrical field or the magnetic fields in our environment.
This video is very brief and summarizes the science and ancient wisdom of heart-felt-prayer and meditation very nicely; I think.
I don’t think it is proved by science or by Word of Revelation from the one true God.
Unless proved or confirmed by one or both the above sources, it cannot be correct.
Studies performed at the HeartMath Institute show that each human heart emits an electromagnetic field; and medical practitioners every day record heart activity using the electrocardiogram (ECG) — The heart communicates with the brain (through the nervous system, by hormones, pulse waves, and electromagnetic fields) and even with brains of others (by pulse waves and electromagnetic fields). Interestingly, studies measure activity during various emotional states show that negative emotion causes disruptions of the nervous system, pulse waves and electromagnetic fields. Gary Schwartz, Ph.D., Director of the Laboratory for Advances in Consciousness and Health at the University of Arizona, performed studies which revealed that an individual’s perceptions of the quality of care he/she received in childhood affects how receptive that individual’s brain is to synchronizing with the heart communications from others in their environment (The Energy Healing Experiments: Science Reveals Our Natural Power to Heal, 2007).
The video (above; inseret) mentions global measures of magnetic readings during the 9-11-2001 time period — an incident of a magnetic energy spike occurred beginning 15 minutes after the World Trade Center impact. The global measure isn’t something that is important to me except as a measure of global magnetic energy — at the time of a highly publicized and emotional event.
Physics predicts that atoms change when electrical and magnetic field energy are applied to atoms.
OK. Thanks for your comments. I don’t know how to point to revelations. That really isn’t my area of expertise. Neither can I define God. I just try to get out of my head. God, by my experience of spiritual growing, wants me to define myself as His temple. I didn’t get that early on. In no way did He put into my heart to define who He is; nor what He says nor even what is real. In my understanding, what is real is discovered in becoming worshipful. I wondered if others may have a similar experience. Its okay if you prefer not to comment on the video. You already made comment on the spirit of this — that heart-felt prayer and meditation and peaceful serenity is good. Thanks.
In thing material and physical the common and reliable source is science; in things spiritual science fails miserably as it has not been designed for that. In spiritual matters we have to see Revelation.
This is what Krishna, Buddha, Moses, Zoroaster, Socrates, Jesus, Muhammad did.
Why remain deprived of this source of knowledge?
Thanks
“In spiritual matters we have to see Revelation.
This is what Krishna, Buddha, Moses, Zoroaster, Socrates, Jesus, Muhammad did.
Why remain deprived of this source of knowledge?”
That isn’t my objective at all (to avoid knowledge).
I wondered what you or others may share after viewing the video.
Thanks again for sharing.
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re: Gregg; he said a lot in the video… I was referring to it.
The one true God has created the dimensions that we perceive; but he is above thee dimensions:
[39:68] And they do not esteem Allah, with the esteem that is due to Him. And the whole earth will be but His handful on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be rolled up in His right hand. Glory to Him and exalted is He above that which they associate with Him.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=39&verse=67